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| Subject: How is it a myth? The bigger myth is that the New Deal went against corporate |
| Posted by: Shenhoo on Mon Feb 20 2012 9:25:51 AM |
| Message: interests. Corporations were often writing key parts of the legislation. |
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Reagan: Reagan and Clinton are Americans' favorite Presidents -- hooverville29 Sat Feb 18 2012 9:42:20 AM |
I think Reagan is legitimately among the top 3 of the 20th century. -- Galileo24 Sat Feb 18 2012 9:50:21 PM |
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FDR, far and away. TR. Ike. -- DanTheFan Sun Feb 19 2012 7:39:57 PM |
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FDR's greatness has been greatly exaggerated ** -- Abe Vigodas Head Mon Feb 20 2012 7:50:25 AM |
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You'll never win that argument. Two things are undeniably true, the victors -- Maupin233 Mon Feb 20 2012 1:17:27 PM |
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Not in the least. -- DanTheFan Mon Feb 20 2012 8:40:04 AM |
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The New Deal is the myth and Reagan's legacy includes winning the Cold War ** -- Faz d' Hoo Mon Feb 20 2012 9:08:44 AM |
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Reagan did not win the Cold War. -- DanTheFan Mon Feb 20 2012 11:52:36 AM |
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Explain? ** -- KaHOOnah Mon Feb 20 2012 9:41:47 AM |
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The myth is that the New Deal was a good thing for America -- Faz d' Hoo Mon Feb 20 2012 10:00:57 AM |
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I don't know what classes of people are totally dependent on the federal gov't.. -- KaHOOnah Mon Feb 20 2012 11:58:03 AM |
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Seniors for starters -- Faz d' Hoo Mon Feb 20 2012 3:29:06 PM |
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I think you'd be on shaky ground to say that we "created" a permanent lower -- KaHOOnah Tue Feb 21 2012 9:01:20 AM |
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Who did they depend on, pre-New Deal, say in 1927? -- southdenverhoo Mon Feb 20 2012 10:37:11 PM |
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Medicare wasn't part of the New Deal, and SS has greatly reduced poverty in -- WahooRQ Mon Feb 20 2012 5:14:25 PM |
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How is it a myth? The bigger myth is that the New Deal went against corporate -- Shenhoo Mon Feb 20 2012 9:25:51 AM |
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FDR helped to save capitalism. -- DanTheFan Mon Feb 20 2012 12:03:10 PM |
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Ike, Truman, Reagan ** -- Hoogle.com Sun Feb 19 2012 7:01:44 PM |
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I'll never be able to forgive Clinton -- Faz d' Hoo Sat Feb 18 2012 11:58:55 PM |
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Absurd hyperbole. ** -- OstHoo Sun Feb 19 2012 10:54:05 PM |
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Not just that but the lack of seriousness place on.. -- GoochlandHoo Sun Feb 19 2012 2:30:03 PM |
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Are you kidding?.. -- Galileo24 Sun Feb 19 2012 2:41:38 PM |
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You prove my point. Instead of doing something.. -- GoochlandHoo Sun Feb 19 2012 4:17:50 PM |
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Two replies. One, do you remember Bush scoffing about how Clinton -- Galileo24 Sun Feb 19 2012 5:31:04 PM |
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G24, I'm not here trying to compare Bush to Clinton -- GoochlandHoo Sun Feb 19 2012 5:59:07 PM |
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You're reading too much into my comments. The point is that -- Galileo24 Sun Feb 19 2012 7:58:20 PM |
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So WJC's politcal enemies let sex interfere with their judgement. -- WaxHoo Sun Feb 19 2012 4:55:00 PM |
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Yes some did. -- GoochlandHoo Sun Feb 19 2012 5:03:29 PM |
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I agree and would add another thing for which Clinton's behavior may be faulted -- Chuck Taylor Sun Feb 19 2012 11:16:42 AM |
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That will always be a mark against Clinton. -- DanTheFan Sun Feb 19 2012 9:48:53 AM |
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Nope ** -- turk Sun Feb 19 2012 12:52:44 PM |
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His behavior is certainly his fault...but spending a year on a stained dress and -- WahooRQ Sun Feb 19 2012 9:40:18 AM |
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Right on all points. ** -- HoosWillWin Sun Feb 19 2012 4:52:21 PM |
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Such a waste of time, energy, money. -- Capital City Hoo Sun Feb 19 2012 2:17:28 PM |
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Yep ** -- turk Sun Feb 19 2012 12:54:02 PM |
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What part of "he lied under oath" do you not understand? ** -- Texas Hoo Sun Feb 19 2012 10:59:18 AM |
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Again, the whole thing was a waste of time -- Capital City Hoo Sun Feb 19 2012 5:07:26 PM |
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The part about making a "material false statement," which the Repubs didn't have -- WahooRQ Sun Feb 19 2012 12:12:11 PM |
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Well, he didn't help himself by denying it for a very long time... -- GoochlandHoo Sun Feb 19 2012 4:24:43 PM |
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If Clinton had one ounce of integrity, he would have resigned and spared the -- Hokie5150 Sun Feb 19 2012 1:37:06 PM |
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Guessing this is TIC ** -- Capital City Hoo Sun Feb 19 2012 6:28:11 PM |
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I wish they had moved to impeach Bush, with all the " war crime" loose talk -- Texas Hoo Sun Feb 19 2012 12:36:12 PM |
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Successful sociopath? where is ted bundy when we need him? ** -- champthehoo Sun Feb 19 2012 10:05:03 AM |
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Yup. True. -- Abe Vigodas Head Sun Feb 19 2012 9:47:50 AM |
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If liberal Democrats had moved forward with some lame impeachment of Bush, I -- WahooRQ Sun Feb 19 2012 9:58:52 AM |
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You have to believe that things occurred under W -- Capital City Hoo Sun Feb 19 2012 2:25:29 PM |
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We had orchestrated torture in Vietnam under Johnson but nowhere near the -- HooBauer Sun Feb 19 2012 11:10:42 AM |
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You will of course be kind enough to provide examples of torture in Viet Nam.... -- Chuck Taylor Sun Feb 19 2012 12:30:30 PM |
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No guidance documented guidance was provided in Vietnam by the administration to -- HooBauer Sun Feb 19 2012 3:47:00 PM |
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So in other words there was no "orchestrated torture in Viet Nam under Johnson"? -- Chuck Taylor Sun Feb 19 2012 4:07:31 PM |
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Oh, Wikileaks on Vietnam covert activity and intelligence -- HooBauer Sun Feb 19 2012 3:49:27 PM |
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There were shoddy legal memos written by LBJ administration officials saying -- WahooRQ Sun Feb 19 2012 11:31:52 AM |
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I'll have to take your word for that -- Abe Vigodas Head Sun Feb 19 2012 10:15:11 AM |
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Like when they impeached Andrew Johnson? -- NaturalMysticHoo Sun Feb 19 2012 9:55:05 AM |
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Qualifier: favorites of the past four decades. Makes sense. I'm not sure a lot -- Seattle 'Hoo Sat Feb 18 2012 4:53:12 PM |
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They were both good. -- Shenhoo Sat Feb 18 2012 10:55:17 AM |
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GWB showed the most improvement. That will continue. -- PhillyHoo Sat Feb 18 2012 11:10:52 AM |
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Pretty much everything he he/ the government did from the moment -- 111Balz Sun Feb 19 2012 11:23:35 AM |
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They give F+ in Bush school? He was awful. -- Shenhoo Sat Feb 18 2012 9:22:27 PM |
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In fairness, his initial handling of 9/11 seemed to be very good. -- Galileo24 Sat Feb 18 2012 9:48:27 PM |
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Perhaps, but I'm still not sitting here and saying -- Faz d' Hoo Sat Feb 18 2012 11:25:42 PM |
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I am. No Bush, no Obama. No Bush, no invasion of Iraq. -- Galileo24 Sun Feb 19 2012 8:20:20 AM |
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No Bush Tax Cuts and no war. Maybe even no 9-11, as I'm sure the Gore -- WahooRQ Sun Feb 19 2012 9:47:21 AM |
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I think 9/11 would have happened. I believe the suspicion at the time -- Galileo24 Sun Feb 19 2012 12:16:29 PM |
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+1. Take the view that 9/11 was inevitable in some sense. -- Maupin233 Mon Feb 20 2012 1:45:00 PM |
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I am fair. Probably generous. ** -- Shenhoo Sat Feb 18 2012 11:02:45 PM |
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He was, is and always will be correctly viewed as a clown. ** -- NaturalMysticHoo Sat Feb 18 2012 7:54:40 PM |
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Ummm...HillaryCare was before the '94 Congress. Since you like their -- HooBear Sat Feb 18 2012 12:55:01 PM |
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If that's what you call improvement, ugh!! If not for daddy Bush, he would -- Galileo24 Sat Feb 18 2012 11:40:13 AM |
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Yeah right. If that's so why has the current president kept GWBs foreign -- HooBauer Sat Feb 18 2012 4:55:15 PM |
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What giveaway policies has Obama doubled and tripled? And as for foreign policy, -- Seattle 'Hoo Sat Feb 18 2012 7:45:24 PM |
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Don't screw up the talking point. ** -- Galileo24 Sun Feb 19 2012 9:02:16 AM |
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Just a point to counter your own talking points. No president in our -- HooBauer Sun Feb 19 2012 9:54:41 AM |
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My talking points? Don't rewrite history. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 -- Galileo24 Sun Feb 19 2012 10:26:39 AM |
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If I'm rewriting history, you're blindly speculating. Of course 9/11 had -- HooBauer Sun Feb 19 2012 11:16:44 AM |
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Yes they used 9/11 to launch an otherwise unrelated war that they -- 111Balz Sun Feb 19 2012 2:59:38 PM |
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Umm, I think you need to read what you posted and try it again. -- Galileo24 Sun Feb 19 2012 12:19:39 PM |
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I don't think that's true. -- DanTheFan Sat Feb 18 2012 6:52:19 PM |
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I didn't realize you thought Obama was a great POTUS. Frankly, I don't. -- Galileo24 Sat Feb 18 2012 6:47:06 PM |
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If and when there is a US demise, it will be the result of the societal issues.. -- PhillyHoo Sat Feb 18 2012 1:09:37 PM |
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Just a little over the top? ** -- Capital City Hoo Sat Feb 18 2012 10:34:11 PM |
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9/11, the deficit, dogs and cats living together, is all the fault of you -- Galileo24 Sun Feb 19 2012 8:22:55 AM |
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You've lost it. ** -- NaturalMysticHoo Sat Feb 18 2012 7:55:34 PM |
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You sir, live in a different world where Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell dwell. -- Galileo24 Sat Feb 18 2012 6:49:01 PM |
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How is it class warfare to suggest that giving away massive tax breaks -- HooBear Sat Feb 18 2012 3:41:03 PM |
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Here's a somewhat related article from Britain -- NJHoo Sat Feb 18 2012 3:58:35 PM |
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Wow, that's really alternate reality territory. ** -- WahooRQ Sat Feb 18 2012 3:12:16 PM |
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Truly scary stuff. ** -- Chuck Taylor Sat Feb 18 2012 2:19:28 PM |
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Maybe, but with the greatest avoidable strategic blunder -- HoosWillWin Sat Feb 18 2012 11:17:49 AM |
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You have no idea whether or not it is a strategic blunder -- HooBauer Sat Feb 18 2012 4:58:10 PM |
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Hmmm. Spend trillions and lose hundreds of thousands of lives, when -- HoosWillWin Sun Feb 19 2012 11:16:49 AM |
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You continue to associate cost with strategy. Your only point is the -- HooBauer Sun Feb 19 2012 11:27:32 AM |
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The Arab Spring (and the Chinese and Iranian versions) are inevitable -- HoosWillWin Sun Feb 19 2012 4:48:32 PM |
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You have to consider cost in your strategy. What good does it to win -- Galileo24 Sun Feb 19 2012 3:01:13 PM |
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The war MAY (and that's a big "may") leave IRAQ better off in the long run. -- WahooRQ Sun Feb 19 2012 9:36:29 AM |
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You apparently think it was not? Look, I hope to God it was not, but please tell -- Seattle 'Hoo Sat Feb 18 2012 7:35:51 PM |
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Excellent POTW ** -- NJHoo Sat Feb 18 2012 8:32:48 PM |
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I can believe that ** -- DAMHoo Sat Feb 18 2012 9:51:20 AM |
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Gallup, that is ** -- hooverville29 Sat Feb 18 2012 9:42:51 AM |
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LOL. The call is coming from beyond the graaaaave! ** -- Darkstar Sat Feb 18 2012 10:06:20 AM |
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